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PostSubject: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:31 am

Clipper marine 32 ketch for sale.
32 ft Sailboat (needs TLC) - $1000 (San Diego) On Craigs List.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/3165893961.html
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PostSubject: Re: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:54 am

Thanks for posting RJM. Are you getting any sailing in? Need some sailing stories here. Very Happy

Speaking of stories, it would be great if the owner could tell us more about sailing the Keys and Bahamas. Especially since these boats, you know, just aren't made for anything bigger than a rain puddle and will certainly render catastrophic failure and kill captain and crew who dare try anything more adventurous. (Yeah sarcastic rant)

But seriously good sailing accounts could mean life or death to these boats. Some guy sees this great deal on Craigslist, gets on some yachty forum, asks about them and is told they are crap, boat goes unsold till it is crushed.

The owner is absolutely correct. Given a proper refit that boat can go to the Bahamas again. Sail the Sea of Cortez for years. Cruise the Great Lakes. Lord I hope an intelligent individual needing a boat sees the ad and realizes the potential.

Or maybe I could buy it and be like Gary. lol!

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PostSubject: Re: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:14 am

Nice boat but I bet there are some serious issues either with the owner or the boat.

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PostSubject: Re: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:52 pm

Pretty good find!

I bet it is a sky blue like mine. (Images below, before restoration, and after.)

I would be interested in it, for whatever nutty reason I hoard stuff the way I do, except:

Another boat 3000 miles away round trip. Transportation costs between $2500 and double, triple that depending on unknown factors

Another boat to clean. The clean up costs were about a grand or more.

Engines always take work to bring them back. Look at a minimum of $600 to $750 and possibly $4,000 or more. This engine is disassembled, even the head is off. That means major work, lost or missing parts. This engine is not going to be an easy fix.



Seller says there is lots of room to work in the engine room. Is he nuts? It is more like an engine compartment, below the cockpit. The engine is in a box about 5 x 5 x 5 with access from three places, all of them cramped. This is not an easy engine to work on, very little room to move around. On a warm day, it is murder being in the engine compartment.



Trailer for a sailboat like this is going to cost between $2500 for a yard trailer, to $5,000 or more.

The end price to get this back to sailing, someone is looking at a bare minimum of $10,000.00 and it could double that.

I have a trailer set up and ready to go, to haul it, but I better not, feeling sober today. Someone want to purchase a CM32 trailer, ready to go, price is $4,000



Quick, someone else buy it so the CM demons will leave me alone!



Whoever is even thinking of this I have one word of advice: Surveyor. Mine passed, but how many nearly 40 year old sailboats full of salt water history, and left to sit for years in the salt water rains, hold up? Not many.



This sailboat has been on the hard 13 years. Blisters under paint are not going to show easily till they swell up again.



If this were 500 miles away, I would grab it in a heart beat and use it for spare parts. I doubt seriously this sailboat will ever see water time again. Rigging needs replaced every ten years or so. This rigging has been sitting 13 years. Looking at $2,500 for stainless steel not counting safety lines.




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PostSubject: Re: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:13 pm

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/3167905815.html



Same Craigs List, same day, is a center cockpit 35' sailboat in great condition for $19,000



Sure it is $18,000 more up front, but it needs nothing, and the final costs are going to be pretty close to the same more than likely.



I was pretty lucky with mine, as the PO took great care of her, and spent about fifteen thousand on her before he sold her to me.



These old boats take a lot of cash to bring em back. I have about $9,000 grand in mine. I am pretty lucky! I have more to spend to bring the cabins back, another 5 grand or so.

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PostSubject: Re: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:30 pm

Floody wrote:
Nice boat but I bet there are some serious issues either with the owner or the boat.



Serious issues with CM boat owners selling sailboats? You can put that song in a flute and whistle it at high C! lol

My first CM owner I almost got a boat from and the second one also, have issues bigger than a wedding cake to feed 4,000 people. The third one turned out OK. Third time was the charm!

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PostSubject: Re: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:24 pm

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Thanks for posting RJM. Are you getting any sailing in? Need some sailing stories here. Very Happy

Speaking of stories, it would be great if the owner could tell us more about sailing the Keys and Bahamas. Especially since these boats, you know, just aren't made for anything bigger than a rain puddle and will certainly render catastrophic failure and kill captain and crew who dare try anything more adventurous. (Yeah sarcastic rant)

But seriously good sailing accounts could mean life or death to these boats. Some guy sees this great deal on Craigslist, gets on some yachty forum, asks about them and is told they are crap, boat goes unsold till it is crushed.

The owner is absolutely correct. Given a proper refit that boat can go to the Bahamas again. Sail the Sea of Cortez for years. Cruise the Great Lakes. Lord I hope an intelligent individual needing a boat sees the ad and realizes the potential.

Or maybe I could buy it and be like Gary. lol!



I get so pissed at forums that talk down CM sailboats. I could go off on em. I have!



This boat, if someone pulled it home, might make a great project, but I fear it has sat a long time. I brought mine back from the edge, but it sat only three years (an eternity for a sailboat gobbling up rain water unattended)

This boat has sat 13 years,

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PostSubject: Re: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:31 pm

Sold



Not to me! lol!




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PostSubject: Re: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:52 am

I wish the new owner all the best. The PO mentioned in the add that he would be willing to help put things like the engine and electric panel back together. I would definitely accept/hold him to that.

Hope the new owner finds us and can give us updates.

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PostSubject: Re: CM Ketch for $1000 on Craigs List in San Diago   Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:18 am

Doubt full: Quote from Lulu- " The only thing wrong with her is the broken strut."

I think Lulu would have a longer list of projects for us.

C'mon Lulu, help us out here.....

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