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PostSubject: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 10:50 am

Greetings all:

Just joined this forum. New to sailing and do not own a boat yet, but a 1970 CM26 has caught my eye. Been reading the posts here and have a good idea of what to watch for - appreciate that.

If we buy a boat it will be primarily for day sailing and entertaining family and clients. Any thoughts on how many people can comfortable sail on a 1970 26? Sometimes it would just be my wife and I and maybe another couple. Other times we might want to take two couples, or maybe our kids and grandkids.

We would be sailing on lake Michigan. I think initially we would stay in the inner harbor while we learn to sail and get comfortable with the boat, but eventually we would want to wander past the seawall and into the lake proper. Does anyone have experience with these boats on Michigan or the other Great Lakes? My buddy (who is sort of a sailing snob) says that a 26' swing keel boat is too small for Lake Michigan. Then again, he sails a 30' full keel S2.

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PostSubject: Re: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 12:27 pm

I just took a total of 3 adults and 3 kids on a day sail and it was pretty comfortable. Kids were ages 2-4 so keep that in mind.

The cockpit could fit 4 adults with ease any more and it will start to get cramped in my eyes. Tacking and what not, but for a day sail heck you could fit 6 adults without to many issues at all.

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PostSubject: Re: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 12:50 pm

Thanks Floody - seems like a really nice group you have here.

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PostSubject: Re: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 2:07 pm

Welcome Bob!



Before you go sailing with kids and grandkids, figure the basics of sailing out first.

I don't own a 26, but I would think 6 adults on a 26 would really be pushing the murphy's law boundaries. I would not sail with 6 adults on my 32's, somewhat because of my experience level, and as a captain, you need to be in charge of other people. How does one skipper a boat, and take charge of that large of a group should something bad happen?



Small groups is always better.



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PostSubject: Re: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 2:17 pm

Gary,

I am bossy in nature so 6 adults would be a cake walk. My clipper 26 can hold 4 in the cock pit with a ton of room for tacks. 2 more in the cabin would make 6.

I would not take this many people sailing if I was not confidant in my skill and if the conditions were marginal. But for a day sail no problem.

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PostSubject: Re: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 2:21 pm

Good points Gary. I agree, we wouldn't be taking the kids out for some time - certainly not until I was really comfortable with everything. Just don't want to buy something that I know, from the outset, won't meet the intermediate or long term goals.
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I know, you know, I just worry, kids are so trusting, and they also beg for stuff we have to say no to.

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PostSubject: Re: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptySat Jul 21, 2012 6:13 am

rstackjd wrote:

Does anyone have experience with these boats on Michigan or the other Great Lakes? My buddy (who is sort of a sailing snob) says that a 26' swing keel boat is too small for Lake Michigan. Then again, he sails a 30' full keel S2.

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Bob

Welcome Bob!!

While I have not been out on Lake Mich on a CM26 I have been on numerous day sails out of Milwaukee on my friend's 22 foot boat. I can't think of the brand but she has a small drop board and water ballast. We were never out in major weather but were in the typical 4 to 6 waves and once a good bit higher. I always felt safe and comfortable.

My friend has sail Sushi Bucket to the Saint Martin Bay area of Canada which is past Mackinac Island. On the return he was caught in some snotty weather coming through the north gap. He also has buried the rail on many occasions while sailing through a blow on the lake.

I would never suggest irresponsible actions to prove a point but sailing the Great Lakes has a lot more to do w/ a sound boat (whatever size), capabilities, and comfort zone, than just making judgements based on size or brand of boat.

I wish you the best and hope you post some of your adventures here no matter what boat you end up on.

If I may ask where you are located? I spent my summers as a youth exploring the west coast of Mich, UP, and learned to sail on Gull Lake outside of Kalamazoo. I love MI.

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PostSubject: Re: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptySat Jul 21, 2012 8:50 am

Everett CM32 wrote:

I would never suggest irresponsible actions to prove a point but sailing the Great Lakes has a lot more to do w/ a sound boat (whatever size), capabilities, and comfort zone, than just making judgements based on size or brand of boat.

I wish you the best and hope you post some of your adventures here no matter what boat you end up on.

If I may ask where you are located? I spent my summers as a youth exploring the west coast of Mich, UP, and learned to sail on Gull Lake outside of Kalamazoo. I love MI.

Ev.

Thanks! That's also very good and helpful information.

We live in Hartland, WI which is about 30 miles due west of Milwaukee. Recently joined South Shore Yacht Club as it's in Bay View where both my wife and I grew up.

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PostSubject: Re: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptySat Jul 21, 2012 9:15 pm

We were on the verge of joining SSYC when work took us away. Very nice facility and people there.

We dropped a mooring south of there last year about this time, between the gap and Texas Rock. I would make you a good deal on it if you could utilize it once your get a boat. Or if you just want to be prepared for when you do. Had planned on keeping our CM32 on it this season, would be perfect for a 26.

As well as things are working out for us here, part of me still longs for what we had planned to do there.

All the best, Ev.

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PostSubject: Re: New guy introduction   New guy introduction EmptySat Jul 21, 2012 10:22 pm

Everett - sent you a PM regarding the mooring.

Yes, SSYC seems like a really good bunch of people. I have several friends who have been members there for a while which was one of the things that influenced us.

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