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PostSubject: New owner seeking clarification   New owner seeking clarification EmptyMon Feb 18, 2013 10:35 pm

Well I'm the new owner of a CM26 and thanks to this website, I was able to download the owners manual which cleared up some things and made others as clear as mud!! My question is on the keel locking bolt. The manual says to insert the locking bolt once the keel is lowered and to make sure the rubber washers are used to avoid leaks.

Problem is - a locking bolt and washers weren't included with my boat. What size bolt is recommended and please give me some info (dimensions, thickness, etc.) on the rubber washers. I'd hate to sink her on my maiden launch this spring !!

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PostSubject: Re: New owner seeking clarification   New owner seeking clarification EmptyTue Feb 19, 2013 3:35 am

Welcome Terry, glad you found us. Cool

As per your question I will have to leave that to the knowledgeable 26 owners.

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PostSubject: Re: New owner seeking clarification   New owner seeking clarification EmptyTue Feb 19, 2013 12:30 pm

Are there holes in the keel trunk for the locking bolt? My previous owner glassed over the holes to keep it from leaking so I have no dimensions to offer.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner seeking clarification   New owner seeking clarification EmptyTue Feb 19, 2013 1:12 pm

That's a very good question!! I'll have to take a closer look and see. I guess the question that begs to be asked is: if your boat has the holes glassed over, how do YOU lock YOUR keel ?? Does it really need to be done ?
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PostSubject: Re: New owner seeking clarification   New owner seeking clarification EmptyTue Feb 19, 2013 1:52 pm

That has been the topic of many discussions amongst 26 owners.

The pros and cons are as such:
If you lock the keel, it will not swing wildly in serious chop.
If it is not locked then it swings up if you run aground or hit something, saving you some potential glass work. In this same situation, it could also swing back on impact only to crunch the front of your keel trunk. But you could also diffuse that by keeping the cable tight to prevent it from swinging into the keel trunk.

So you see there are mixed opinions.

I will give you mine.

If you sail in the ocean (yes some people do that in their Clippers), lock your keel. You are more likely to damage your boat from the keel swinging wildly in the chop than you are to run aground.
If you sail on flat water like lakes and rivers then leave it unlocked if you are more likely to run aground or hit a stump and damage your keel trunk at the pivot bolt.
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PostSubject: Re: New owner seeking clarification   New owner seeking clarification EmptyTue Feb 19, 2013 2:02 pm

I have a '74 CM26. There is no sign of a locking bolt, nor any indication that there was a hole for one. The fiberglass in the appropriate area is all original with the original spatter paint job on it.

I'm at a bit of a loss to see how 500 lbs of keel is going to flop around in any kind of weather I'm willing to sail in. I've already dragged it on the bottom a couple of times so having it loose was a good thing. I do sail in the Puget Sound where waves are limited and there are lots of opportunities to run aground Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: New owner seeking clarification   New owner seeking clarification EmptyTue Feb 19, 2013 2:30 pm

I have run mine aground plenty. I have also hit a rock or two for a shocking jolt. I sail in the Columbia and Willamette rivers in Portland, Oregon. I have also had barges or large yachts make 6-8 foot wakes that have caused my keel to swing pretty hard as I bounced into the swells. I have snapped a cable or two in the process but it was better than the keel bashing into the front of the trunk.

So it's all a matter of opinion and your sailing conditions.

The great thing about the swing keel is that I rarely ever worry about shallow water. My sailing buddies with fixed keels won't follow me into some areas.

But that is the advantage of having a "centerboard sonar" - when you hit bottom, you crank the centerboard up a few inches and continue on.
People who use centerboard sonar are the same types of folks who use "potato radar". That's when you have someone stand on the bow of your boat in a thick fog and start tossing potatoes. As long as you hear a splash, you are okay. If you hear a thud, something is in your path and you should turn. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: New owner seeking clarification   New owner seeking clarification EmptyTue Feb 19, 2013 3:14 pm

Hey thanks for all the input! I think I'll make sure there's some tension on the cable by lowering the keel all the way and then cranking it back just enough to put tension on the cable.



Thanks Again!!

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