Gary's new boat

Sounds like you have done some fast boat swappin?

C'mon we need details, details man!!

Agree with Everett...we need details. 1 minute Wallace posts, you try to convince him to keep her and sail it, then ext minute youdeal is done, sounds like you're trailering her home, and Mac25 has gone to Wallace. Details will be greatly appreciated. And pics!

Ohhhh the suspense.....

Wallace was more interested in trading than selling, and I had a sailboat he was interested in.

His boat is not what I would call 100% factory original. He changed the diesel engine to a transom plate for a kicker. He put a battery compartment where the engine was and added a solar panel as large as a hood on a Buick.

My plans for the boat is to keep the kicker plate for a small gas engine and do a electric engine mod as shown on you tube. I have not checked into the cost of that, but I will.

He redid the cabin, and we will do a few changes. Paint mostly. Going to put down horse stall mats everywhere there is a floor. The floors seem the most dated of anything on the boat, so that will help the old girl out a bunch. That will rob the ceiling height of 1" in the cabin and cock pit under the boom.

Wallace described the trailer as "Awful" but he is incorrect on that one. The trailer is wonderful, just needs a paint job. Easy enough, once the boat is in the lake. The trailer tires are rated at 2000 pounds, so I may be replacing them to a higher weight rating, but they got us home safely. If I do any extended pulling, I will modify the tongue to use my semi fifth wheel. However, I doubt it will ever see an extended trip again while I own it. It will just be a yard trailer to get the boat out of the water in the fall and put her back in the water in the spring.

Sounds like things worked out well for both of you. Congrats to you both!!

The electric conversion would be interesting. Is the solar hooked up and functioning? How many batteries?

I'd say the trailer proved itself on the trip. I notice the supports close to the stern. Our cradle is too short and the rear supports are about where you centers are. This caused some pressure on the hull and the rear port quarter berth to split the seam where the front meets the side panel. I welded up stands for the stern but still need to fix the woodwork. Good to see your trailer is better equipt from the start.

Can't wait to see pics off your interior.

Hope you get her launched soon.

Pics as it was handed off to me are recorded here

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=3EE532EE913503D8&id=3EE532EE913503D8%21425

It has a lot of provisions for fresh water, which on a small lake marina I do not need. If this turns out to be my slipped boat, the water capacity will be lowered, in favor of interior seating as it was from the factory.

First pic, under the towel, is a huge water barrel, 75 gallons? Something like that.

I sent my wife home early from work to clean the boat. I bet that project fell by the wayside in favor of ???

The solar is hooked up, but it would look better on the open sea, then in a marina next to a 110 power hook up. I have it off the boat with plans to ??? Maybe sell it to put money into other boat items. No batteries as I know of. It had 6 at one time. I will stop at one or two if I end up using 24V for something like a large trolling motor to dock the boat.

Trolling motors seem like a better use of technology than the offerings out there that power boats with motors hooked to the hull of your boat. Too many people complaining they quit working and the expense of redoing it all again.

At 6'7" and 400 plus pounds, this is still a can of sardines for me as far as a tight fit goes. In some ways, the 25' Mac was not a lot smaller. Both boats, the area used for the head, is too small. I removed a wall and a door on the Mac so I could use the space for other things, opening up the feeling of the larger room.
I could go on a diet, or purchase a cruse ship, I guess.

Mark CM26 AZ wrote:

Agree with Everett...we need details. 1 minute Wallace posts, you try to convince him to keep her and sail it, then ext minute youdeal is done, sounds like you're trailering her home, and Mac25 has gone to Wallace. Details will be greatly appreciated. And pics!

Look at the dates and times, several days unfolded as the deal went down. Why others did not snatch it up, I do not know.

I had dead set made my mind up to get a CM30 or a CM32 many months ago, back in October. If you look back in other forums, I was telling people so. Now it looks like I ended up with both. I think I would have been quite happy stopping / owning SP, but I would never know what a CM32 was like, without owning one. I think the lines of SP are far superior. IMHO.

I still have my eye on a CM32 Ketch. One never knows what the future holds.

Gary, that is one big-ass boat you got yourself there!
Holy smokes, Boatman!
I'm with you on the CM30 vs. the CM32. In a few weeks when you pick up Dano's SP you'll have a chance to compare the two and write a comparison review before you decide if you're going to sell one or the other.

Did you every get any more SP pics from Dano, like inside shots? Just wondering.

My mechanic has not called me. Has not returned my calls. Can't reach him. He's had the motor another week, now, making it 4 full weeks he's had it to get it fully tuned.

I need it back. My boat in advertised and I'm going tomorrow or Saturday to take a look at the Catalina 30. I've seen like 75 youtube videos on them and I love the looks. This one is owned by someone who knows sailboats inside and out, so it should be as nice as he has told me it is.

Mark

I think it would be awesome if you picked up a ketch. There is no way anyone else has had that many Clippers at one time. That museum you mentioned and got flack about, your on your way dude!,

Interesting older thread where I had just purchased a 32 sloop via trading a Mac 25

At the time I was still committed to purchasing danos SP that I waited fall / winter to get pics of that were current. Mark asked if I ever got any pics? It was Mark that made me realize that asking to see what I was buying was not an unusual request.

The real odd thing is I mentioned I still had my eye on a ketch 32. Funny how life unfolds.

Had danny boy sent me photographs of the boat as he promised, I might be working to splash an abandoned in the mud early model CM30 instead of splashing a pinnacle CM 32 center cockpit aft cabin ketch diesel motor sailor. All for the same or less money. I end up with ten times the boat I almost got stuck with. Had I gotten that abandoned in the mud, tired old public transit barge needing a long laundry list of everything from sails to a new engine, I would not have been very satisfied.

Interesting to note, still no pics and danny boy says he had to give her away to sell it. Sad for everyone involved except for the one that got out of that deal, me!

All's well that ends well, as they say.

Mark has also moved up to a Catalina 27. Sweet yacht to be sure.

Penny seems to have moved on, no longer posting. Penny, if you payed 1000 for her, did you spend too much? Tired engine? Tired sails? Tired bottom? Tired interior? Tired trailer? Tired boat.

Still waiting for pics and video. Most people want to sell something they post pics. Most people purchase something they want to show it off with pics. Very very queer the whole deal.

The only thing I see so far on SP I like is the halyard plate under the tabernacle. That is a sweet idea I will use myself. Thanks for that photograph.

Here is a photograph of both boats at the lake. Wondering Wallace, waiting to be pulled Sunday, and Sugar Bee, waiting to be splashed the same day. The empty trailer will soon have her boat back on board. Trailer is all repainted and ready for service.

Wondering Wallace is the dark blue hull, closest to the shoreline.

Gary, you like to make it up as you go, don’t you! I guess this is you site so you can make up
any kind of fairy tale you want to.


For your information, SP is a very fine boat, hull is sound
as are the decks, no sagging when I walk them, but then I don’t weigh anywhere
near what you do. It is true that her
hull number is 061 which would make her an early model CM30, but I wouldn’t
call her haggard. The CM30 is more sleek
and aerodynamic than any of the 32’s I’ve seen, no offence to Everett
or his boat, more like a fine sports car.


It is true that she had sunk into the mud over the
years. It is also true that Daniel
replaced all 8 bearing sets and put on new tires and rims so she could travel.


The Sails that came with SP are like new, so new they still
have the Clipper Marine logo on them and show no sign of wear or deterioration. Also the sails are in the original Clipper
sail bags. The hanks for all three fore
sails (150 Genoa, Standard Jib, and
a Storm Jib), have no corrosion and look brand new.


I had the engine running today for a good half an hour or
more, after sitting 3 years it took some new plugs (which were in the tool box)
and just a bit of tuning. The 15hp motor
runs great and for that size boat its perfect.
One other thing SP left the factory with a knot meter/miles
odometer. According to Dano the meter
wasn’t working for about a 1000 mile trip around the Florida Keys. So adding that 1000 to the 1388 that the
odometer is displaying, she only had 2388 nautical miles on her, which means
she hasn’t even been broken in yet.


We will be splashing “Munchkin Too” tomorrow afternoon,
spending the night on her and coming home Sunday evening. It will be a good opportunity to take some
pictures of this very lovely boat. The
pictures will be posted in my picasa gallery for anyone to view. Unlike some, I don’t have the luxury of a
lake and marina close enough to leave her in the water. Which is why I’m not too concerned about the
poor bottom paint.


Oh by the way Gary, all you warnings about bottom paint and
getting that done before putting her in the water – these boats are made of
fiberglass you know. The reason for
bottom paint is to prevent tiny marine creatures from attaching and growing on
the hull. Where you leave you boat in
the water all summer I would agree with needing good bottom paint. Where my boats spend most of their life on
the trailer, I could simply sand down to the gel coat and leave her that way.


[“Still waiting for pics and video. Most people want to sell
something they post pics. Most people purchase something they want to show it
off with pics. Very very queer the whole deal.”] Hey, some people are naturally picture taking
people and some aren’t, that’s just the way things are. The only thing I find queer about the deal is
your childish impatience, and how you’ve been ranting and raving about how you
were slighted. Daniel was nothing but
honest with you about not having pictures and you insisted on making a federal
case about it, poising both forums. Are
you proud of yourself?


I remember you said once that you would never delete any
post, another lie. I’ve seen several
posts disappear from this site, that YOU felt were uncomplimentary. The only time I deleted any post was when it
was in violation of the form guidelines, and that was only after consulting
with the other moderators. However, I
fully expect you to delete this post for two reasons; one, I’m being truthful,
and two, because you don’t like what I’m saying.


Do you want to know why I and several others have stopped
posting here? We got tired of the way
you bad mouth other people and we didn’t want to end up on your XXXX list.


I must also agree with the members of the forum at Sailboat
Owners, you need to stop asking questions and then complaining when they don’t
give you the answer you want to here, very childish and makes you out to
resemble the North end of a South bound donkey (although that is an insult to
donkeys everywhere).


So I will bid you farewell, Gary. May you and you obsession have a long life together.

Penny, Fat jokes? Is this the way you moderate?



Think about it from the other side.



Broken promises, over months to show what it was I purchased. What do you expect of me?



I was patient, patient for months.



As a last straw, he offers to find me a google image of what it may look like?



I do not really care one way or another what, why, how, only that I know when I am being BSed to.



If you want to drop it, fine, post images of the boat, before you have a chance to get it cleaned up.



He said he was selling a boat with a clean interior. Fine, lets see.



Put your camera where your mouth is.



Childish is name calling, Fat jokes are something below a "Moderator"



Post images of the boat or put a sock in it already! No name calling, sticking to the point.



Moderator, ambassador of Trailer Sailors? Nice showing Penny.




I almost called you on the CM30 in your backyard, pretty glad I passed on that.



On your site, I posted how we could get your friend back into a boat. That is where I am coming from, this is where you are coming from.

Penny, I am banning you 20 days for name calling.

Fat jokes is uncalled for, and is below the level I will tolerate.

In 20 days, maybe you will have some pics to post of SP, fine yacht that I am sure she is.

Penny, I would have deleted your post to save you the embarrassment of letting others read what you posted, but I guess, according to your post, you do not like that, so it stands.

The very few posts I have removed here were to make your site look better, as your attack dogs came in here causing trouble, much the way you have here.

Think People will enjoy reading your post? I think it is quite embarrassing, but not to me.



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Update

Dec 2012



After many months, of pondering, I am putting this thread back in the forum, so everyone can see for themselves, who the instigator of the problems was.